Liza, great comments. Unfortunately during peaceful protests, a few people take advantage of the situation and commit crimes which makes the protest seem like an invasion of criminals. What troubles me are the responses of the entire administration which is actually being run by Fox News. Let's not have a police state.
Mike, you are right. There will always be agitators. The problem is that the uniformed authorities on the scene cannot tell the difference, and a Billy Club does not care.
Here is an interesting article about how the protest is organized by "NGOs" receiving millions from the state of Cali. This is likely not at all organic...
And is it really a good thing to take the side of the slick ruiner of California, Newsom, who's been doing it for many years now? So that people have been fleeing Cali in droves?
I'd kept hoping we could contain the damage, hang on to the midterms, and take back the Congress to at least stall or mitigate the worst of this unutterable insanity, but I also knew that Drumpf and his Orciest of Orcs, Miller, Cheung, even the slimy little Newt would call up the troops.
I served from 1961 to 1964, and I remember having random conversations in the barracks over hands of pinochle about this and that, including about what, exactly and precisely, constituted an UNlawful order (that "they" said we could DISobey) and what the likely consequences of such potential mutiny be, up to and including summary *death?* We weren't joking. This was during the Cold War when we had so far barely survived the Cuban Missile Crisis and were on the cusp of Vietnam (just as I mustered out).
I would not want to be in those guardsman's boots in LA. I vividly remember Kent State (4 May 1970).
I wouldn’t put past this corrupt government to have sent some violent small group to start that type of violent protest and justify then their awful order of sending the National Guard
Two comments. One on the unrest, the other an obituary.
1. Bulwark has a great SubStack titled "The Protest Dilemma" which addresses the pros and cons. A must read.
2. June 7 NYT obituary for Bill Atkinson. Bill is credited with the drop down window, the double click k, and Apple draw. The last is an ancestor of the tools Liza used to delight us.
From accounts in the news and from my sister who was at the protest in LA, the National Guard did not engage and did not fire or throw anything into the crowd The LA Police chief just issued at statement that his department does not even have the things described as being used against protestors. He issued a statement saying the Trump Administration is lying. It was ICE actions and they used the excuse of a few violent protesters to start everything. My sister witnessed a car fire which started from a ICE non lethal weapon discharge being fire at velocity and hitting a car and igniting the car. And then another one! ICE is inviting the violence and perhaps some agitators. The LA police chief said they know who these people are and will pursue them and that he did not believe they were there to legitimately support the issues of the protesters. All a ruse.
It is not lost on me that the first major protests are by Latino population. The white people majority need to get out there in the streets. Nothing will change if we just talk about it over social media. I have been out in the streets and will be again. My parents marched with the Berrigan Brothers protesting Vietnam. They taught us how to be real
“This brings back memories of the late 1960’s when, as a young girl I saw the abuse of power from our government to stop protestors at Kent State.” Yes. Same here. I was
at UCLA and as this unfolds, I keep seeing those images… blurry almost black and white film of the faces of horror and disbelief thinking how lucky I was to be at an extraordinary university where that would never happen. ….and the Watts Riots keep looping in my head.
Thanks Liza. Agitators are exacerbating some violence but things went to fever pitch from taRump’s order deploying the National Guard and later the Marines. It is sickening to see this happen in the United States
I remember the killing of protesters Kent State. I was in college myself & participating in protests. We were sickened by it. We cannot continue with his outrageous regime.
As a friend asked: “Do you remember that time Trump called up the National Guard to quell an insurrection at the Capitol?” 🙄
Liza, great comments. Unfortunately during peaceful protests, a few people take advantage of the situation and commit crimes which makes the protest seem like an invasion of criminals. What troubles me are the responses of the entire administration which is actually being run by Fox News. Let's not have a police state.
Mike, you are right. There will always be agitators. The problem is that the uniformed authorities on the scene cannot tell the difference, and a Billy Club does not care.
Here is an interesting article about how the protest is organized by "NGOs" receiving millions from the state of Cali. This is likely not at all organic...
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/fiesta-in-la-monday-june-9-2025-c
And is it really a good thing to take the side of the slick ruiner of California, Newsom, who's been doing it for many years now? So that people have been fleeing Cali in droves?
Just when you thought...
I'd kept hoping we could contain the damage, hang on to the midterms, and take back the Congress to at least stall or mitigate the worst of this unutterable insanity, but I also knew that Drumpf and his Orciest of Orcs, Miller, Cheung, even the slimy little Newt would call up the troops.
I served from 1961 to 1964, and I remember having random conversations in the barracks over hands of pinochle about this and that, including about what, exactly and precisely, constituted an UNlawful order (that "they" said we could DISobey) and what the likely consequences of such potential mutiny be, up to and including summary *death?* We weren't joking. This was during the Cold War when we had so far barely survived the Cuban Missile Crisis and were on the cusp of Vietnam (just as I mustered out).
I would not want to be in those guardsman's boots in LA. I vividly remember Kent State (4 May 1970).
I am afraid for June 14th, and pray America won't be burning. Wow. It's just so unnerving and despicable.
I wouldn’t put past this corrupt government to have sent some violent small group to start that type of violent protest and justify then their awful order of sending the National Guard
Two comments. One on the unrest, the other an obituary.
1. Bulwark has a great SubStack titled "The Protest Dilemma" which addresses the pros and cons. A must read.
2. June 7 NYT obituary for Bill Atkinson. Bill is credited with the drop down window, the double click k, and Apple draw. The last is an ancestor of the tools Liza used to delight us.
Beautiful post, Liza. Thank you.
From accounts in the news and from my sister who was at the protest in LA, the National Guard did not engage and did not fire or throw anything into the crowd The LA Police chief just issued at statement that his department does not even have the things described as being used against protestors. He issued a statement saying the Trump Administration is lying. It was ICE actions and they used the excuse of a few violent protesters to start everything. My sister witnessed a car fire which started from a ICE non lethal weapon discharge being fire at velocity and hitting a car and igniting the car. And then another one! ICE is inviting the violence and perhaps some agitators. The LA police chief said they know who these people are and will pursue them and that he did not believe they were there to legitimately support the issues of the protesters. All a ruse.
It is not lost on me that the first major protests are by Latino population. The white people majority need to get out there in the streets. Nothing will change if we just talk about it over social media. I have been out in the streets and will be again. My parents marched with the Berrigan Brothers protesting Vietnam. They taught us how to be real
citizens.
Perfect sign.
best commentary. best message on the cartoon.
As long as you can say what you think here there is hope but I fear he will put an end to that too
“This brings back memories of the late 1960’s when, as a young girl I saw the abuse of power from our government to stop protestors at Kent State.” Yes. Same here. I was
at UCLA and as this unfolds, I keep seeing those images… blurry almost black and white film of the faces of horror and disbelief thinking how lucky I was to be at an extraordinary university where that would never happen. ….and the Watts Riots keep looping in my head.
Thanks Liza. Agitators are exacerbating some violence but things went to fever pitch from taRump’s order deploying the National Guard and later the Marines. It is sickening to see this happen in the United States
I remember the killing of protesters Kent State. I was in college myself & participating in protests. We were sickened by it. We cannot continue with his outrageous regime.